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Well… in my case, not mad, but more… perplexed?

I normally don't post stuff like this, but I think it's actually very important. This is in regards to this post that has the original posting…. (Very interesting points from the responder, kistuneverse!)

I've seen a huge backlash against Harris, but also a backlash against guys in general in the fandom. I don't think it helps anyone if we categorize fanboys as a collective. Not all guys/fanboys/geeks/nerds/casual observers are the same, and casually lumping them together seems counterproductive.

I mean, it's awesome that we're talking about this notion against the female side of the fandom, as it does exist and does needs recognition, but talking to these fanboys as if they're a singular entity is exactly what that Tony Harris dude is doing in regards to female cosplayers and the female fandom in general. If you, male or female, actually believe that he speaks or represents all guys in the fandom, then I don't know what to say, or how to convince you otherwise.

I know a lot of guys who are fanboys (as do many of you ), and they're some of the nicest, most decent guys I've ever met. They're friendly, family men and guys. That's not to say that there aren't guys who fit that mold, who go beyond human decency. But how do you think those guys feel when they're lumped together with misogynistic, unrepentant trolls? (and do not think for a moment that some women/girls can't be as misogynistic or even more than men.) This is not me excusing misogynic behavior from those people, because you, everyone deserves to have a hassle-free trip to the comic store or to a forum… pretty much anywhere you want to go and talk/enjoy your fandom. In fact, if I see that in public and someone's harassing someone about their fandom, I got ways of shutting that down (OH SNAP take that Todd Akin!).

Things happen, rants happen, and people's true opinions come to light, some of them popular people, but I urge you to think about what is being said, evaluate it, respond to it if you would like, as you have a right to do so. However, if you go back and then apply your opinion to a group with a particular attribute – well, then that's still discrimination and stereotyping no matter how you put it. You can try to pretend that you're not being discriminatory and hypocritical, but uh well… I don't think it does you any good.  

It's too easy sometimes…

It's so easy to say that all Christians are all homophobic, and that all Republicans hate women. Being a housewife is not a legitimate job. Good fathers don't exist. If a girl or guy don't ever plan to get married that they're somehow unable to understand commitment, and are probably promiscuous. Barren women probably will never be happy because they can't have children. If guys get raped, wait no, that's not possible. Guys who are fashionable are probably gay. Good on Nick Lachey for taking half of Jessica Simpson's money since it usually happens the other way around. If a guy likes a character who happens to be a female, he only likes her because of her looks. If a girl likes a male character, she only probably likes them because she can pair them with every other male character in that series/fandom.


Yeah… that's not to say that those type of people who think like that don't exist, but if you're going to argue with someone who has opinions like that, you might be in for a long haul. I'm sure all of you have had situations where you try to argue with someone and it seems like it's going no where? Spare yourself and go bake yourself a cookie.

I'm not going to lie, I myself have had viewpoints when I was younger that were very limited. But being on the internet so long, I know that there are a lot of good people out their, no matter the gender, race, sexual orientation, creed, or age. But I do acknowledge that there are a few people (on the internet and real life) who just seem to want to ruin it for everyone else, which is unfortunate, but a side effect of anonymity or the lack of restraint. You can try to argue this statement all you want, but most of those people who are considered trolls would not act like that if their true identity was front and center.

So I guess all I'm trying to say is please… please do not think of fanboys as a collective with a single hive mind whose main goal is to squander the fangirl population with their misguided misogyny. -OR- that fangirls are all un-knowledgable slash/yaoi-obsessed narcissistic gatekeepers, feminazis, or drama queens. That's irresponsible and doesn't help anyone.

It goes both ways.

People are allowed to have opinions. Besides, if you're going to get mad at girl for cosplaying and knowing probably absolutely nothing about comics or pop culture, get mad at this girl.…

… But you probably can't.



Discussion welcome!
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Irism Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
Circumstances happen, and different circumstances lead to different outcomes and consequently different opinions.

Cause and effect people, it's all about cause and effect.

In the case of "Rant Guy" here who openly bashes Cos-chicks, we can safely assume a "trigger event" has happened to him before hand that 'consequently' hardwired his mind to label F.cosplayers as such.

Unless we know the exact cause of his opinion, we on the neutral side can and with full right claim that he is on the wrong on generalizing each and every individual of a group with prejudice, unless proven otherwise.

P.S. Rook rocks :icondohohoplz::heart:
dou-hong Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Rook IS awesome. And cute! ^^

I'm usually on the neutral side too, even if I am part of the population being generalized. It's like when I heard what Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock said about abortion and rape.

I didn't get angry, I just got really perplexed at how people like them achieved high office, and more than doubly perplexed at the people who still backed these individiuals. I also laughed at all the jokes that followed on the Colbert Report. [link]. It was unreal!

I hope you had a wonderful holiday!
Irism Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012
Pulling strings, bribes and altogether dirty politics, world can be a sad, sad, and cruel place sometimes.

But I always did say that with buttload's of effort, anything's achievable, opinions, righting wrongs and/ or otherwise.

Ffff, Happy Holidays toooooo :la:

*cough*Motherfreaking can't wait for Rook-centric eppy*cough*>.>
dou-hong Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012  Professional Filmographer
XDDD I know right? It's called transparency guys!!!!

Anyways, as for Rook, then you'll absolutely love 16 and 17. ^^ Blarggg... I wish I could post the synopsis, just to ramp things up but alas... privacy issues. XDD
Irism Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012

......Aww tis private .n.

Ah well it's cool, us fans can wait -u- Stay still my beating heart *stalkerwaits*
The-Starhorse Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you for saying this. I agree with all of this. Reverse-discrimination is still recrimination. In fact, it's just fighting fire with fire, bitterness with bitterness, and the only thing that leads to is more hate on both sides.

I'll spare you a long-winded reply to your post by simply saying that I really appreciate someone of your status taking the time to say this, and so eloquently. I hope people will listen, and think about this. I appreciate the "fanboys" I talk to on Twitter, and who I've met over the years, and in no way would I ever lump them in with the "fanboys" who have treated me like an inferior species just because I'm a girl who happens to love the Transformers. My guy friends are awesome dudes, and I think if we as a culture ever want to dig ourselves out of this hole of stereotyping and hating each other, we have to start focusing on the good on both sides, not the bad.

And there I go rambling on. I'll stop now. Thanks again! :)
dou-hong Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Why thank you darlin'! I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment. XD

I know, the thing is, there's still a lot of assumption and discrimination goin' around, even if most people don't realize it. Like recently I read an article about pushing to hire a woman for the head of the CIA (after the Patreus affair) and I was like... I don't care who they hire, they just better be qualified! If she's a woman, cool, if he's mexican, cool...

But of course, I'm not going to leap on that because it would be different.

XD I don't have a status really, just an artist, just like you. ^^
hana707chan Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012
Bless this post. FINALLYYYY!
dou-hong Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2012  Professional Filmographer
XD Thank you! And much blessings to you! Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving. ^^
jasjuliet Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
Brilliantly written! Thank you for this, and for extending the dialogue into other too-common stereotypes. It needed to be said! /Shares.
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