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This is NOT directed towards people who have general opinions (go ahead, have em'). This is a response to some of the recent EXTREME attitudes that I've seen around here and Tumblr. If you don't like candid opinions, please click here. You will not be disappointed.

It's probably more in defense of TTGO than BTB, since I've seen more people grumble about that show. Teen Titans and Teen Titans Go are not the same show. Let's get that straight out. It's not a continuation, it is a variation. If you can understand that, then maybe it will be less painful for you.

Teen Titans Go may not be your cup of tea, it might irritate you, it might even make you mad. Boycotting DC Nation because you want to stick it to those CN and DC Executives doesn't make any sense. You got four children, and you're telling me that you're going to treat the two younger children like shit because they don't live up to your expectations? BTB and TTGO are part of the DC Nation family, and they are here to stay until they are off the air.

I noticed this issue of hate prior on tumblr especially with Miss Martian and La'gaan, specifically about people tagging their hate. If you have ever reblogged, or started your own post about specifically not tagging your hate for a character/show/portrayal and encouraging others to do so, then hopefully you can somewhat empathize for the show and the people who have worked on it. Practice what you preach, and if you don't, then you're exhibiting hypocrite behavior, no matter how you try to justify it.

Many people worked on these shows, BTB and TTGO, many of whom are on twitter, tumblr, deviantart, facebook, etc… Some of these people have worked previously on GLTAS and YJ. Many of these creators and people who are involved are only seeing your vitriol towards these shows, which is ridiculous and unfortunate, especially since these shows have not even premiered yet. This might sound a little flowery, but they do have feelings too. And even if you're not actively insulting the people who've worked on it, by collectively saying that the show in general is absolute shit, you indirectly are.

By calling these two shows all sorts of terrible names, you're not just going against the show, but you're probably also demonizing people who might like the show and driving away potential members of the DC Nation family because of your nostalgia gone crazy. A kid might watch this show and become attached to these characters, which might then lead them to watch the original Teen Titans (HA HA VICTORY!) or any other DC affiliated animations. It might be hard for some people to understand, but there are a lot of people who have never seen Teen Titans or BTAS, or Batman Beyond, etc, and if this is what gets them into the DC family, then are you really going to complain about that? Sometimes people make it so hard for others to enter a fandom because those fans are afraid to say that they like the series or afraid to post related fan works, because of the toxic atmosphere. And don't think that toxic atmospheres only exist outside of the internet. That's like trying to claim that cyber-bullying is not real bullying (which it is if you're out of the loop).

What's with all the negative pressure? Nostalgia is nice and all, but if you're going to go out of your way to purposely drive potential younger fans (dc in general, not just TTGO/BTB) away because it doesn't meet your expectations of what the show should be, then that's a bit silly. If a kid says he likes TTGO, are you really going to tell him or her that the show's stupid, or that they don't understand good programming? Probably not. What you would probably say is, "well hey, neat. I'm not too cool about it, but if you like TTGO, then you'll love Teen Titans! Check it out, it's a show that I watched when I was a kid! It's totally rad…" You make it a positive experience not a negative one.

If you're going to go into these BTB and TTGO with that intent that you're going to absolutely hate those shows, then congratulations, you're going to hate the shows! If you don't want to watch the show, then don't watch the show. There's nothing wrong with not watching a show if you don't think you'll like it. There is nothing wrong with opinion, go ahead, give it. But when you spew condemnation at these two shows AND THEIR CREATORS/PRODUCTION without even watching it, then you are spreading hate, no matter how you try to slice it. You are only torturing yourself and potentially others.

Look at the reasons below, and see if any of them apply to you, and if they do, I would hope that you can be a little more open minded.



1.     You feel annoyed or even angry that there might be people/kids who might genuinely like these two shows, because you actually take TTGO as a personal affront and insult to your childhood.  Sorry, but if you watched the original Teen Titans in your childhood, then more than likely, your childhood is probably long since over. Cherish it, move on, and make new memories.

2.     You immediately reblog something that trashes the show, because hey, they hate it too! What a coincidence. Also, another thing you might have in common? You haven't seen the show.

3.     You somehow still think and/or unwilling to change your opinion that YJ and GLTAS were cancelled for the sole purpose of being replaced by BTB and TTGO (If you do and are totally convinced that this is true, then I will leave you in Narnia. I heard it's a nice place.)

4.     You are actually willing and wanting to tell/order/warn/pressure people not to watch it because you feel that that action somehow is warranted and acceptable.

5.     You will refuse to let your children/younger siblings watch it, even if they wanted to. (I could understand if was Maury or Jersey Shore, but TTGO? Seriously?)

6.     You revel in the fact that other people share your hate, and since other people share your hate, your constant barrage of vitriol is somehow justified. Congratulations, you are practicing diffused responsibility because you have a mob mentality. It's okay if it seems everyone is doing it.

7.     You're attacking those show on tumblr/facebook/whatever for fact that you just can. 1st amendment, cause it's totally cool to tell those people at CN that they should kill themselves because they didn't renew your favorite shows. If you're writing comments to CN, the people who work at CN, DC or anyone involved, read them out loud to yourself. Writing an opinion is just as legit as speaking it out loud. If it sounds like you're a borderline sociopath or something you would never, ever, ever say in real life, I would encourage you take a good hard look at yourself.

8.    You use the excuse that you have the "right to be angry." That is one of the most misguided reasons that I've ever heard. You don't have the right to be angry, you have the right to an opinion. There's a difference. Change the word "angry" to "happy" and see how entitled that sounds. It's the same excuse that gun owners use to argue that they have the right to own as many high-powered arms as they can, it's the same excuse that people use to argue against soda/saturated fat laws so that they can eat and drink themselves to oblivion, merely because they have the right to.

9.     You're saying that the show looks like shit, or that it doesn't look like a lot of work was put into it, writing, animation, direction, etc... My only question to you is this: Do you work in the industry?



Believe me, I loved Teen Titans too, it changed me in a very positive way. I mean, that's like the only thing I drew when I first started deviantart. I was even a vice-vice at the Teen Titans Club here!However, I cannot, and I mean this with complete honesty, cannot watch it now. I don't know what it is, but I know I definitely enjoyed it when I was younger. It reminds me of when I tried rewatching The Magic School Bus again (damn that 90s science...) I can understand why you feel a little betrayed, especially if you watched all five seasons of TT and loved it, but I cannot even begin to understand the absolute hostility. I mean, for example, I don't understand Twilight too much, but I wouldn't tell someone to stop reading the book or watching the movies if they liked doing those things. If you're reading this, taking it in, and you're still going to go off on both shows just because you can, then I can't help that. I think that speaks of something deeper than you just not liking the show.

There are ways to spare yourself the pain, so concentrate your energy and passion on saving the shows that were actually cancelled, instead of absolutely shitting on shows that haven't even premiered yet.

And when the shows premier, and you don't like it, that's cool. No bigs. Go ahead, have your opinions. AFTER YOU WATCH. But when you're done, go watch another show or do something else, bake a cake, spend time with a sibling, maybe help out with saving shows... Have you seen the effort into saving GLTAS and YJ…? Holy amazeballs. Think about how much more support there would be if your hatred was changed into passion.

As always, thank you for reading. Have a good day! Thoughts are welcome. ^^ btw... did you like the link that I directed you guys towards?
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ManofFunNCreativity Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hope everyone on Tumblr can agree with ya.
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BoukenRed Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
The ONLY problem I really have with these shows is not bc of the style or the story, I'm actually pretty excited about them. My biggest problem/fear is that they will be mostly controlled by the toy companies. So if not enough little kids buy toys, then the show will just get ripped out of our hands like with young justice.

I personally find that unfair for a few reasons. One of my biggest ones is that I didn't know they even MADE toys for the show. I never saw an ad or a commercial for them, excpet the mcdonald's commercial that one time. I thought I was supporting the show by watching it AND buying the dvds and comics.

So why should I get invested in this show with the knowledge that for DC or CN, it's not about ratings, it's about the toys?
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dou-hong Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional Filmographer
See, that's the thing. If you think that way, then by all means, don't support the show. If you don't show support for the show, that's just your personal opinion.

I wouldn't say it's purely for the toys. Avatar the Last Airbender and Korra are not toy driven, yet they continue to be made because Nick pumps money into those shows, advertising, dvd/digital sales, etc.. ^^

It's a variety of factors, which toy sales can be a big part of.
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Kidd102 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2013
Dear Dou-houg,

Before tell my MASSIVE opinion on your article and Teen Titans Go, let me be clear that I barely use my DeviantArt account and I only caught on to this post through a Google search (which I'll explain later). But anyways...

Right before I read this article, I LOATHED Teen Titans Go. As the late Roger Ebert would say "I hated hated hated hated hated hated HATED this [show]". Throughout the past week (maybe two weeks), I have been ROARING my hate all over Youtube Videos of clips and promos for the show. But not only have I been attacking the show, but I've been attacking people trying to defend the show from the massive amount of hatred. My username is krazeeKidd102; if you want, you can check my channel just to see the tremendous amount of posts on nothing but Teen Titans Go videos, and all of them are insanely negative.

And when I saw "Defense of..." in the title, I was convinced it was going to be another "mindless sponge" that was going to lecture me simply because they cannot understand why lots of people were honestly angry with how their childhood icons were about to be mutilated and "ruined". I mean, how can they possibly be fans of the show? How can they possibly lecture me if they can't understand how I feel?

Needless to say, I was wrong.

I want to say thank you for writing this, because now I'm MUCH calmer and less stressed out than I was for the past few weeks after you managed to hit the nail on the head. I think the difference between you and several YouTubers was the fact that they showed almost equal amount of hostility and obsession as the "haters" like me. That and the fact that throughout this entire post, you did NOT say anything along the lines of "it's just a cartoon" or "stop getting so worked up over a cartoon", as if I didn't already know that.

Those statements became a Berserk Button to me during the past week, and it's simply because Teen Titans isn't just a show to me. It's something that I hold precious. I've been with the series even back when the first promo premiered on TV(remember that: "The TEEN TITANS! Stopping Crime, Saving the World, and looking for the remote control" or something like that). Back when I had such a busy lifestyle at a private school and extracurricular activities like music, this was the ONLY show that I would actively try to watch every single episode on time. I loved the comedy, I loved the drama, and I loved the characters, as well as the Character Development. This was the first show to make me CRY for crying out loud (...heh). It was the episode where Terra sacrificed herself to save the friends she previously betrayed. When you manage to intentionally make a young child care THAT MUCH about a character in a show as well as the relationships to other characters, you have succeeded in making an animation that can last for a LONG time, if not forever. THAT is something to be proud of.

And the reason why it succeeded is the BALANCE of comedy and drama, as well as being transition between them smoothly. It's 100% appealing to ANYONE of all ages. In the post, you said you honestly cannot watch it nowadays. Maybe I can understand that...I mean, I remembered watching a rerun a few months ago and realized some badly animated bits and some of the anime-esque humor wasn't really that funny anymore. HOWEVER, for me, it definetely holds up despite some age. Even now (as an anime and manga nerd), I use Teen Titans, or at least its BALANCE of comedy and drama, as a basis for recognizing my absolute FAVORITE series of the bunch.

That being said, I was very uncomfortable with the new direction even back when the shorts were released. I thought they were somewhat cute and reminded me of how much I loved the old series. However, my amusement was mostly from show and not from the shorts' quality and I remember EVERYONE commenting on various videos practically BEGGING for a season 6, and NO ONE was asking for more of the shorts. Then, when Teen Titans Go was announced, the wave of dissappointment hit. I didn't like the fact that it was a full-fledged comedy (especially when the shorts the show started from didn't leave an impression on me), and I didn't like the new character designs. And of course, there was the interview where "apparently" the producers said that they never watched the show or that they watched a couple of episodes (in reality, they were being sarcastic. One guy said he was kidding, but the other was talking over him). Until someone pointed it out a few days ago, I truly believed it. And until now, I told myself it might as well be tue.

Because when the first promo was released a few weeks ago (as well as a clip of the show), I was furious. It was bad enough that I was indifferent at best to the show's vastly different direction, but it had WORSE humor, extremely cheap looking animation, and the Teen Titans acted so out of character. Robin lost all of his competence and was a show off, Starfire cared about how she looks and the way she dresses apparently, Raven lost all REASON to be stoic and snarky and sometimes even vicious, Cyborg, instead of inventing devices and working out, was a lazy bum eating his ass off (in one clip in the long trailer, he's even comically FAT and smelly), and Beast Boy looked like a baby-shit colored gremlim and ate pepperoni pizza when he's supposed to be a vegetarian.

.......yeah.....I was pretty pissed. In your post, you said you couldn't possibly understand why anyone would be so hostile that they would go at such lengths to discredit the show, whoever worked on it, and whoever who DARES to actually like it. As someone who LITERALLY was exactly like that until this evening when I read this, I'll respond to the seven reasons to tell MY perspective:

1. Oh yes. This one hits hard because it's sadly true. Think of it like this: I hate this show. It goes against EVERYTHING I originally loved about the show as well as why everyone else loved the show. Because you are SO DAMN ATTACHED to a show that was such an influence on your childhood, it feels like a slap in the face. In real life, no one (or at least I hope not) likes to be slapped in the face. Now, there are (of course) people who will defend the show from the "irrational hatred" (which it is, but whatever). These people SUPPORT the very show you hate so much. They SUPPORT the very thing that goes against everything you loved about the original. Even if they never actively attacked you , just the mere existance of such an opposite reaction to the same thing FEELS like they are dileberately attacking you.

In other words, if the show is slapping you in the face, people who support and like it are slapping you the face too. One by one by one. Please note that it's EXACTLY as irrational as it sounds, but hey, hatred and contempt works like that.

2. Considering how much I hated the show, I was probably going to do it sooner or later. Heck, I've already put TTG rants in my favorites list on YouTube, so I guess that counts.

3. Admittedly, I never watched Young Justice. I'm not a watcher of Cartoon Network anymore. I stopped when they started their CN Real experiment. In fact, I don't watch a lot of TV period anymore. I'm not really getting a lot of children's programming nowadays, though I'm probably just getting older. Anyway, I only checked the YMMV page of Young Justice on TV tropes, which pretty much told me "Yep, this show is severely flawed and not worth it." Yes, I use TV tropes as a basis for checking out series as well. But the point is, Young Justice's cancellation never bothered me much because I didn't watch or care for it to begin with. I knew it was sort-of a spiritual successor to Teen Titans, except a lot more serious, but still, I probably only complained about YJ being cancelled once or twice and it's only because it relates to how much I hated TTG and I used it as another "justification" for the rage. Other than that, YJ and the other show doesn't matter to me, much like a lot of CN programming nowadays

4. Okay, here's the thing: I believed (and to an extent I will STILL believe unless proven otherwise) that TTG was a lazy hackjob done by people who want to cash in on the brand name alone. I know that lots of kids watched CN to this day, but Teen Titans has gone out of memory for the past...five years I think. Therefore, the audience the creators are trying to attract in time for the premiere ARE the fans of the original show. They already failed that just from the new direction alone, but combined with the other flaws I previously mentioned such as characters being out of character and lame jokes, it just seems like they really do only want to cash in on the brand name alone.

Even without irrational hatred, I don't want to support a scam. So telling people not to watch something that seems so much like a scam felt rational because you don't want such an "obvious scam" to succeed. In fact, that goes back to what you said about driving away potential fans. At the time, that didn't matter to me; heck, if anything, my hatred of the show was so much that I WANTED to drive away any potential fans if it meant that the show would fail. That and the show already felt like a slap to the face, but you understand. Hatred and Contempt works like that.

5. Honestly, I think this is why I'm so obsessed with havng an entire collection of animated series. If I ever want to have children (who knows when that would be), I think it would be in my best interest to show stuff that I liked when I was growing up. Like I said, I cannot get children's programming nowadays, so I'm really not comfortable with showing younger people or children stuff from today's generation. I know this will sound irrational, but today's cartoons just look stupid to me, so I assume it is stupid and I would NEVER want to show children something stupid. TTG reminds me of today's programming. I don't know when I'm going to get out of this nostalgic stage, but that's how I currently feel at the moment.

6. This is absolutely true. In fact, remember that Google search I was telling you...well, I was literally typing in "Teen Titans Go fan hate" in the search bar.

Yes. That's right. If Youtube wasn't already hate-filled towards the new show, I was actively looking at other forum just for the sake of finding more people who share the same opinion that I have. Go ahead...laugh at me.

Actually, no...scratch that....if it's not trying to find people who agreed with me, it was actively trying to find people who disagreed with me just so I can think rudely of them. I have NO freaking idea what inferiority complex drove me to do that, but whatever.

7. Okay.......even the hateful jerkass I was for the past two weeks had limits. I insulted people, I insulted show and everyone who worked on it, but I NEVER told anyone to go kill themselves. I guess that means there's some hope left. Oh, and the attacking "just so I can" is true. Some inferiority complex, hatred is like that, blah blah blah blah...

And also, please keep in mind. All of these reasons doesn't necessarily apply only to "haters". The defenders of the show (or at least most on YouTube) are just as guilty as we are about being completely hostile. Heck, one of them commented that the dislikers of the IGN hosted clip of the show "Robin at the Market" had "no taste". Of course, I ferociously pounced on him in a heartbeat, and that lead to more shit. I think you are the ONLY person who defends the show while having SOME idea of how we feel without insulting us or telling us not to get worked up over a mere cartoon.

But the wierdest thing about this is that before Teen Titans Go.......I was completely the OPPOSITE of what I was am now. I hated Nostalgia Filter and I joked all the time about people who couldn't let their nostalgia go to see something objectively superior. Heck, I was one of the people who DEFENDED Dragonball Z Kai back when people were bitching about the voices, music, pacing, and script, and laughed at how people were labeling it as "disrespectful to the original and its fans". Heck, even the orignal Teen Titans isn't safe from this. The show was EXTREMELY loosely based on a comic book series and so many fans of DC comics hated the show's portrayal of the "source material" just like I did for TTG. They hated how they were including anime-like elements and the lighter-hearted tone to it and ranted about how there are never going to be good shows like Batman TAS anymore. I knew fully well I was the generation that saw the "butchered version" and loved it...

...and yet, I didn't care. I called the previous generation of complainers "basement-dwelling little shits" and continued my ranting. It's amazing how I was so intolerant of letting nostalgia get the better of people, and yet all it takes is for the same situation to happen to me and I do a complete 180.

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But with ALL THAT being said...I've decided I'm not going to watch the show.

Like I said, the animation looks cheap, the Titans appear flanderized or out of character, and it's completely based around unfunny gags. To be honest, I'd be MUCH LESS HARSH (heck, I'd probably even outright like) on the series if it focused on much more intelligentely written humor. I'd like it to parody a lot about the series it's based off of; or better yet, use that HUGE cast the Teen Titans has grown to at the end of Season 5. There are so many things you could do with that humongous cast of unestablished characters. Heck, I'd love it if it parodied more anime tropes. The original was already anime-esque, and if they're going to go all out chibi, they might as well play with so many tropes like the Inaction Sequence, Animtion Bump, or maybe even a few entire shows. Granted, it'll probably be even further from the original series, but hey, it was already different anyways. If you're going to do something different, do it right. It would be funny for the kids, and even funnier for the grown audience that they're advertising to in the first place.

Of course, I know that it's only a promo and a few clips. The show premieres on Tuesday, and there IS plenty of time they can do stuff like what I've listed above. However, if I'm right, and this IS a show that's just made for the brand name or it would never grow beyond the quality that was shown in the trailers, then I don't want to support it.

Pretty much the same decision I made so long ago, except I'm not going to be an asshole about it.

Though, I'm not so sure about everyone else who's mad about this. As far as I'm concerned, there's only two ways this massive amount of hatred will subside:

A) Cartoon Network brings back the original Teen Titans for a season 6.
I'm pretty sure this will never happen. If we support TTG, CN will most likely make a Season 2 of TTG. If we don't, then CN will just cancel it and never touch Teen Titans again...which doesn't bother me much because we still have the Titans on DVD, so it's not like the series is going anywhere.

B) Teen Titans Go becomes popular and goes on for extra seasons
Like I said, I (and a majority of TT fans) will not support this show. So naturally, the only people who will support it are kids at home who knows nothing about the original show it's based off of.

Logically speaking, if it's crap, then it'll get cancelled after one season.

And if it is objectively entertaining and memorable, then it'll go on for more seasons because people want more of it. Only then will I give the show a chance with a positive mindset.

C) We get saved by a video game company...
I know this sounds strange, but hear me out. There is a video game called Transformers: War for Cybertron and a sequel.

Now granted, I'm not a fan of merchandise-driven franchises at all, but many people...weren't in favor of the Michael Bay live-action movies. Besides the fact that they were bad movies, fans felt "betrayed" and angry just like I was for TTG. War for Cybertron and its sequel is the epitome of combining everything from the comics, to the original show, to even newer shows and SOME aspects of the live-action movies to make a quintessential Transformers experience that fans certainly enjoyed and praised from left to right.

If all else fails, I'd love to see someone make something like that for Teen Titans. I'd like to see a (preferebly very good) video game based off the original show, as well as adding in some characters from the comics, and have an vastly big plot involving a sinister villain. The cutscenes would be completely animated and we would play as multiple characters. That would be cool. Of course, it'd probably be annoying for people to slobber over it and proclaim that the game "saved the franchise from TTG" but I honestly wouldn't mind. Can't say the same for anyone else.

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I'm done.

I've already said everything I needed to say. I wouldn't be surprised if no one reads this. I just wanted to say that what you wrote really opened my eyes there; those seven reasons could probably apply to ANYTHING nostalgia/hype backlash related. If you feel like responding, please do so.

Thank you very much, and hopefully may this show do as well as it deserves.
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dou-hong Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Holy smokes, that’s long, but very appreciated!

No seriously, I love conversation like this. My response will be quite shorter, but I will try to respond to you as best that I can!

Believe me, I feel that everyone has something that is precious to us, with you it’s TT, for me it’s DC in general, with a focus on Blue Beetle. I mean, if they had made a show about BB, and it was terrible, I’d be insanely sad, like really crazy sad, especially if it differed from the portrayal that I would like it to be. And if it really differed from what I think BB should be portrayed as, I’d admittedly probably would be pissed too, but the difference between me and others people who might feel the same way, is the fact that I wouldn’t talk/rage about it, because well… I just have no urge to.

XD There’s always a range I believe, in people who are passionate about things, and even I love BB to death, it’s just my personality not to get too upset about things, even if it’s things I love. It’s like the Michael Bay Transformers movies… Do I think they were totally dumb? Of course, but that’s just my opinion, but a lot of people seem to like it, so I just quietly left the fandom for a bit. You won’t ever see my hate or criticism of it just because I tend to push it to the side to do other stuffs.

As for your responses!

1. Sometimes people need to vent, I totally understand that. ^^ My love for TT never carried over into my adulthood, and actually, the fondest memories that I have are for the characters that hardly showed up, if that makes any sense. ^^ I can see where you guys are coming from.
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3. YJ is definitely a serious show, as I watch this show purely for entertainment, I’m not usually bothered by the “flaws” that people might associate with the show. XD To give an example, I loved Korra, sure maybe there were some things that I would have changed, but in general, I really, really enjoyed it. But I know some fans who dismiss the whole thing because of the ending, which I think is a bit ridiculous.
4. Perhaps to a certain extent, that might be true. I work for CN, but I’m not part of the executive team who makes decisions. I cannot exclude that as a potential reason.
5. You know, it’s the weirdest thing. This might sound strange to you, but when I was watching TV as a young kid, I would watch things ranging from PBS to Jerry Springer. I was a hardcore infomercial/music collection watcher. But my mom never really restricted me from watching TV, and maybe some people would say that was irresponsible of my mom, but I think I turned out relatively well-balanced, just because I watched what I wanted to watch, and my mom never told me that the shows were stupid. I was never ashamed of watching cartoons/kid stuff because my mom never made it a point to do so. Point being, I will definitely push all these animations/movies that I loved as a kid FIRST, and then let them watch some of these cartoons on the tv, even if they look a bit mindless.
6. Hey, don’t think that you’re alone in this. I’m sure I had my moments to, but probably when I was younger. I’ll go back to my Michael Bay Transformers example. I absolutely loathe the movies, to this day, I absolutely refuse to watch them, and I do not like hearing them in the background. But one day, I had talked to another friend of mine, same age as me, and before I could say my opinion about the films, he went on about how much he loved them. In my mind, I could not fathom HOW he could like them that much, but after hearing what he had to say about the films, my reply to him was a lot gentler than what I was going to say. Believe me, I was about to go off (not at him, but at the movies) but after he finished his view on it and asked what I thought, I really settled down and told him simply that I didn’t like it that much and that it was not really what I was looking for, but then he encouraged me to tell him why it didn’t appeal to me. I did, but it was a great experience. I never tried to make him not like the movies, and he didn’t try to make me like the movies. XD I had initially wanted him to agree with me like hardcore, but in the span of a couple of minutes, the feelings were gone.
7. Hey, you guys are people too, living, breathing people with emotions and passions, and more importantly, a reality of life that I might not understand. It’s sorta like how a person might show how they do not like how their race is portrayed on the tv, which, if I’m not a person of that race, it would be so easy to write them off and say, well hey! A person of your race is on the series, why can’t you be happy at that! But I can’t, and I shouldn’t. Maybe that person went through things or has been stereotyped because of the way they look. I don’t know their history, etc, etc…

I don’t think I’m going to watch the show either, as you know my love for TT has grown dimmer over the years. Even if they continued a literal 6th season of the original TT, I’m not even sure I would watch that, which might sound strange. But then again, I refused to watch Batman: Brave and the Bold, but that now is one of my favorite series… Funny how that works out!

As for the rest of the people who are mad… well, I’ll let them be. You can’t stop people from having opinions, but they can’t stop me either from looking at those said opinions and wondering about them. I’ve got more important things to worry about, rent, work, friends, food, etc… XD

Well, thank you so much for writing. Like I said, I think my original intent for this journal entry was to open some people’s eyes. People have to be given a chance, and yes, even if some people’s words rub me the wrong way, they’re still people, and it doesn’t do anyone good if the first reactions I have to haters is to ignore them and or retaliate. Trying to fight fire with fire equals more fire, as it’s just simple maths.

Like, if someone’s exhibiting racist behavior, what ideally is the best thing to do? (btw, I’m not trying to compare you to a racist… XD just an example) Write them off as pigs, or try to get them to understand how that behavior isn’t doing any good for anyone? My opinion is the latter, but even if I have my limits. There are some people who will never change, which is a reality that you and I have to deal with. But there are a lot of people who are willing to read and take in other opinions, and then maybe consider their own and re-evaluate it. My opinion doesn’t make yours any less valid, and that’s how I think it should be. That’s why I can read hatred towards a show without really feeling offended, analyze it, and come up with my own response.

Respect is a two way street, so if so-called “defenders” are giving you some serious serious shit for having your opinion, then I think that’s a bit ridiculous. Ridiculousness can spawn more ridiculousness, so I try not to create any in the first place. ^^

Thank you for your response! A lovely read from a truly passionate fan!
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jeffreymunoz Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013  Professional General Artist
:D Agreed! There are many times when I tell my friends " Hey check this show out " They bash it and condemn it to hell and they never took one chance to watch it or they see one person say a negative comment and they hold on to that comment. It's really annoying when some of these shows that are really good are not seen by their eyes because it's not the same or it looks like this and that. what is funny about this is that some of those people end up still liking the show and would still lie in your face and say " I never hated the show." I totally agreed with you. TTGO, I really do want to see but I have run with a bunch of people who said the same about " it's not good enough, the first series of this was better " and I'm like dude, it's the same characters but it's not the a sequel or anything like that.

:: Sighs ::

:D If anything we can chat about this tomorrow lol It stroke an interest.
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dou-hong Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Yeah, we'll totally talk about this, prolly over coffee tomorrow!
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PeixesdeAquario Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Agreed. BTB doesn't look that good, but I'll give it a chance, as for TTG I'm not sure how it's going to be. But I'll definitely take look.
One question if you can answer, it looks like the animation for BTB is the same for the GLTAS.. am I wrong? They look very alike, at least the pictures I've seen.
At first I was against these two new shows, because other two shows (my favorites) were going down. And christ the ending for both. IT'S TERRIBLE AND SAD ;A; (but yay, impulse = kf :D)
Also another question: You were/are involved with the Ben 10: Omniverse programming series aren't you?
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dou-hong Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Actually, BTB and GLTAS are not done by the same studios, I don't think. However, I could be wrong, so don't quote me on that. XD The only reason why I'm saying that is that BTB, when I had see concepts of it, it just had a different look. It's sorta like when you can see the difference of what people looked like in Pixar's UP vs. Pixar's Incredibles. Squatish vs taller.

I am currently on Omniverse actually, character/prop designer. ^^
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PeixesdeAquario Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
They just really look alike. The body type, the shading and much more.
Well, it could be from the same studios, but it may be done differently.

That is amazing, I am a huge Ben 10 fan, mostly of the early series, but to me Omniverse compensates for the awful Alien Force/Ultimate Alien. And it's funny, and I was so excited when I found out Derrick Wyat was the art director. I love that guy. You guys are doing a fantastic work. I mean, I do have certain things I don't like about Omniverse, but it's obviously because I'm too attached to the original series.
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